<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Ship of Theseus (2013)</title>
	<atom:link href="/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013</link>
	<description>Powered by Webshore</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2015 13:53:54 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013#comment-20523</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 02:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.criticaltwenties.in/?p=5452#comment-20523</guid>
		<description>Hi Jim,Thanks for the trip to ancient Greece.  The pitcerus you show gain their 1,000 words by the history you gave us.  What a sad story of poor communication.  King Aegus should have texted his son first to find out if his son just forgot to switch the sails oh yeah, that is just our advantage today.It is so amazing how times have changed and it&#039;s the pitcerus and history that you provide us here in your blog that help us realize how good we have it now.Thanks for sharing your trip with us!(Dave) and DawnDave and Dawn Cook recently posted..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,Thanks for the trip to ancient Greece.  The pitcerus you show gain their 1,000 words by the history you gave us.  What a sad story of poor communication.  King Aegus should have texted his son first to find out if his son just forgot to switch the sails oh yeah, that is just our advantage today.It is so amazing how times have changed and it&#8217;s the pitcerus and history that you provide us here in your blog that help us realize how good we have it now.Thanks for sharing your trip with us!(Dave) and DawnDave and Dawn Cook recently posted..</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: what is bacterial vaginosis treatment</title>
		<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013#comment-17155</link>
		<dc:creator>what is bacterial vaginosis treatment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 02:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.criticaltwenties.in/?p=5452#comment-17155</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m impressed, I have to admit. Rarely do I come across a blog that&#039;s 
both educative and engaging, and let me tell you, you have 
hit the nail on the head. The problem is an issue that too few folks 
are speaking intelligently about. Now i&#039;m very 
happy that I found this during my search for something relating to 
this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m impressed, I have to admit. Rarely do I come across a blog that&#8217;s<br />
both educative and engaging, and let me tell you, you have<br />
hit the nail on the head. The problem is an issue that too few folks<br />
are speaking intelligently about. Now i&#8217;m very<br />
happy that I found this during my search for something relating to<br />
this.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013#comment-16516</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.criticaltwenties.in/?p=5452#comment-16516</guid>
		<description>A very naive analysis. Too verbose, and lacks depth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very naive analysis. Too verbose, and lacks depth.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Waldete</title>
		<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013#comment-16342</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 18:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.criticaltwenties.in/?p=5452#comment-16342</guid>
		<description>I completed the novel yadretsey and I agree 100% with you on the review.  I thought that the end was really very disappointing and very rushed.  The story had a lot of potential but in the end it seemed wasted.  The story started well and the build up was great but the second half was a disappointment esp. the part about Black boy in the end.  What was the conclusion of the book?  The arab part in the end was so filmy.  Do a whole Arab ship/boat will come to the island to grab one black boy?  I would have rather seen them move to Canada and end the story there.  I liked the character of the nurse too a lot.  It had great potential.  And, yea the premise of the story without an Indian character was surprising yet refreshing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completed the novel yadretsey and I agree 100% with you on the review.  I thought that the end was really very disappointing and very rushed.  The story had a lot of potential but in the end it seemed wasted.  The story started well and the build up was great but the second half was a disappointment esp. the part about Black boy in the end.  What was the conclusion of the book?  The arab part in the end was so filmy.  Do a whole Arab ship/boat will come to the island to grab one black boy?  I would have rather seen them move to Canada and end the story there.  I liked the character of the nurse too a lot.  It had great potential.  And, yea the premise of the story without an Indian character was surprising yet refreshing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anup</title>
		<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013#comment-15578</link>
		<dc:creator>Anup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.criticaltwenties.in/?p=5452#comment-15578</guid>
		<description>Though, I am not a good writer or have sophisticated words to draw my line of thoughts about the movie. But I have really enjoyed the above debate and I think you all have certain take away points. By the way, out of 3, I really liked the monk eluded journey conflicting with this own principles &amp; decisions and the example of fungus &amp; ant brilliantly depicts the cycle of life. At last monk&#039;s acceptance and somehow being convinced to what&#039;s the reality of life. I am no where disappointed by This Ship of pradox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though, I am not a good writer or have sophisticated words to draw my line of thoughts about the movie. But I have really enjoyed the above debate and I think you all have certain take away points. By the way, out of 3, I really liked the monk eluded journey conflicting with this own principles &amp; decisions and the example of fungus &amp; ant brilliantly depicts the cycle of life. At last monk&#8217;s acceptance and somehow being convinced to what&#8217;s the reality of life. I am no where disappointed by This Ship of pradox.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: mayank</title>
		<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013#comment-15487</link>
		<dc:creator>mayank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.criticaltwenties.in/?p=5452#comment-15487</guid>
		<description>@Arghya: Your article acquires a defensive posture from the time you categorise yourself as an “average Bollywood movie-goer”.  Anyway, that aside, let me come to the core of your article, that is, the philosophical premise of the movie. 

You draw an analogy to a minute hand of the watch, but, organ replacement isn’t that simple, for this you need an understanding of the human biological systems to get to terms with the “continuation of the form” aspect. There is significant genetic mapping for the organ to be accepted by the body, so that should take care of the continuity of the form part. You will understand this point as you read further. 

Coming to the” complete disassembly” part. Well it is subjective to evaluate what constitutes “complete”. If criticality can be used as a test, then yes, “liver”, “heart”, “Kidney”, etc. from my perspective can be called “complete” because without them a person can’t survive. So thinking “complete” in terms of complete disassembly is rather a naïve proposition. I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that mere a replacement of “planks” amounts to “complete”, a ship after all has many other parts as well. 

All the people undergoing transplants were “Ship of Theseus” in their own right. “Continuity in form” can be evaluated from the biological perspective, while, “complete disassembly” can be put to the test of principle of criticality. 

Further, by not delving deep into each character, Anand Gandhi just highlights the existence of this paradox rather than resolve it. 

It’s good to be critical but a movie which such international acclaim should not be subject to such naïve analysis. However, your defensive posture can and does help your case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arghya: Your article acquires a defensive posture from the time you categorise yourself as an “average Bollywood movie-goer”.  Anyway, that aside, let me come to the core of your article, that is, the philosophical premise of the movie. </p>
<p>You draw an analogy to a minute hand of the watch, but, organ replacement isn’t that simple, for this you need an understanding of the human biological systems to get to terms with the “continuation of the form” aspect. There is significant genetic mapping for the organ to be accepted by the body, so that should take care of the continuity of the form part. You will understand this point as you read further. </p>
<p>Coming to the” complete disassembly” part. Well it is subjective to evaluate what constitutes “complete”. If criticality can be used as a test, then yes, “liver”, “heart”, “Kidney”, etc. from my perspective can be called “complete” because without them a person can’t survive. So thinking “complete” in terms of complete disassembly is rather a naïve proposition. I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that mere a replacement of “planks” amounts to “complete”, a ship after all has many other parts as well. </p>
<p>All the people undergoing transplants were “Ship of Theseus” in their own right. “Continuity in form” can be evaluated from the biological perspective, while, “complete disassembly” can be put to the test of principle of criticality. </p>
<p>Further, by not delving deep into each character, Anand Gandhi just highlights the existence of this paradox rather than resolve it. </p>
<p>It’s good to be critical but a movie which such international acclaim should not be subject to such naïve analysis. However, your defensive posture can and does help your case.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kunal Chandra</title>
		<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013#comment-15463</link>
		<dc:creator>Kunal Chandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.criticaltwenties.in/?p=5452#comment-15463</guid>
		<description>Valuable and sensitive reflections on the co-existence of contradictory forces within systems and their relevance to the choices that systems that arrive at...thank you Sowmya. About the characterization bit, I was essentially drawing a distinction between narratives that are completely immersed in and driven by the psychological motivations of the characters, and narratives that use characters but look at them as a part of the systems evolving around them. In my opinion, the film does tend towards the latter. Not just because of the way the stories unfold, but, as I have mentioned earlier, but also because of the way the reflections and thoughts posited in the film find associative entry points through images and sounds, and their patterning in the narrative. Also, while the film does have its share of loose meanderings, and the ending/connection of stories at the end appears to only be a summation of the narrative graph, there is a question being posited, an attempt being made to narratively represent/mirror movement of life from one form(the explorer/donor) to other forms(the recipients)...and through their stories, in reflection, pose the same questions. And sure, when you think of the end as a mere coming together of journeys, it seems a bit tenuous, a little ordinary even...the recipients all sit ready to watch the film made by the donor/explorer...and we see the image of the insides of a cave...the rocks sparkling...the light shining into a tunnel, a cavernous unknown...and then in a moment, we see, in motion, the shadow of the explorer. I wonder about the image on the screen, the shadow in the cave, the reflection on &#039;what was&#039;...being seen in the present by the &#039;what is&#039;...and I don&#039;t think I have it in me to belittle or question the wonder of that moment, even if it seemed ordinary at first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valuable and sensitive reflections on the co-existence of contradictory forces within systems and their relevance to the choices that systems that arrive at&#8230;thank you Sowmya. About the characterization bit, I was essentially drawing a distinction between narratives that are completely immersed in and driven by the psychological motivations of the characters, and narratives that use characters but look at them as a part of the systems evolving around them. In my opinion, the film does tend towards the latter. Not just because of the way the stories unfold, but, as I have mentioned earlier, but also because of the way the reflections and thoughts posited in the film find associative entry points through images and sounds, and their patterning in the narrative. Also, while the film does have its share of loose meanderings, and the ending/connection of stories at the end appears to only be a summation of the narrative graph, there is a question being posited, an attempt being made to narratively represent/mirror movement of life from one form(the explorer/donor) to other forms(the recipients)&#8230;and through their stories, in reflection, pose the same questions. And sure, when you think of the end as a mere coming together of journeys, it seems a bit tenuous, a little ordinary even&#8230;the recipients all sit ready to watch the film made by the donor/explorer&#8230;and we see the image of the insides of a cave&#8230;the rocks sparkling&#8230;the light shining into a tunnel, a cavernous unknown&#8230;and then in a moment, we see, in motion, the shadow of the explorer. I wonder about the image on the screen, the shadow in the cave, the reflection on &#8216;what was&#8217;&#8230;being seen in the present by the &#8216;what is&#8217;&#8230;and I don&#8217;t think I have it in me to belittle or question the wonder of that moment, even if it seemed ordinary at first.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bharath</title>
		<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013#comment-15456</link>
		<dc:creator>Bharath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.criticaltwenties.in/?p=5452#comment-15456</guid>
		<description>@Sowmya The monk was indeed dressed in shirt and trousers..probably suggesting a volte face from all the principles he held as a monk..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sowmya The monk was indeed dressed in shirt and trousers..probably suggesting a volte face from all the principles he held as a monk..</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sowmya</title>
		<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013#comment-15455</link>
		<dc:creator>Sowmya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.criticaltwenties.in/?p=5452#comment-15455</guid>
		<description>Hi Arghya and Kunal, 

My take on this is somewhere precariously perched between both your takes. 

Arghya, agree with you, in that, having heard so much about the &quot;thought&quot; behind the movie, the &quot;addressing&quot; and &quot;treatment&quot; of the titular philosophical issue was itself, somewhat underwhelming. When I walked out of the theatre, the eager anticipation with which I walked in, was replaced with a quizzical expression, more like an itch whose existence I was only vaguely aware of, let alone being able to identify its position and then reach out and scratch it. 

You will note the excessive use of “somewhere, somewhat” in the para, but in my opinion, there&#039;s no better way to describe the movie. It IS vague, it is even absurd at times (how can the stockbroker ask the poor guy to return the kidney), not to mention a little slow and tedious (like for instance, the bedpan scene – but I know what to do, if an elderly relative needs that assistance).  I even think the connection in the end was tenuous (also, is my memory playing tricks, or was the monk dressed in a shirt and trousers in the end?). I would even say some of the dialogues were a little forced, especially the ones mouthed by one of our kind (so smart-alecky, with the ‘masturbation’ thrown in, thinking it’s a masterpiece of a rejoinder). 

BUT, the movie sure as hell, makes one feel the questions that exist (and walks with us side by side) as we go about our lives, thinking we’ve figured out our calling.  At least, it identifies the complexities (pardon the cliché) and nudges us to feel the life both within us and outside us. The life of others inside us (not only the organs literally but also the polarized thoughts and priorities (the granny and the stock broker, the boyfriend and the photographer and the monk and the lawyer) and us in them (the grandmother ultimately ‘getting’ that maybe the grandson has inherited a bit of her activism and the monk ‘getting’ that his purpose is not simply fasting unto death as innumerable people have tried to drill into him).  So, in that sense who are we? What makes an individual, the same individual? Is it just the organs? Is it the ability of perception? Is it handicap? We are us, yes, but we are also what others think of us (the stockbroker thought that the labourer did not care about material benefits and only wanted his kidney back– but that’s not what it turned out to be). And the most beautiful point the movie makes (in my opinion, of course) is that the single purpose of life is to appreciate it in its very many forms (including how they co-exist with each other) and then go on living, renewed and assured that we are not alone – we never were and never can be.  

Isn’t the movie reflective of how we incorporate philosophy in daily discussions? 
Essentially, extrapolating our daily lives to suit an enquiry, rather than thinking about a realm of thought and then examining whether we conform or deviate? In that sense, how can there be a literal application of the ship of Theseus paradox to the movie? The movie is almost like what train of thought, a ship of Theseus paradox can trigger off. But yes, I wish the strangeness of feeling when one realizes that he is living his life by using another’s organ was explored further.  Also, how would the labourer feel if his stolen kidney was re-transplanted into him?

Kunal, fantastic observations.  The only point I disagree with you is that the movie was not a set of characterizations. I think it was nothing but that. And the whole thingamijig of its being reflective of ancient Greek philosophy is a bit overdone.  So yes, if you go looking for the paradox in movie, daresay you may be disappointed. But the movie does the details very well. About people, their particular frustrations, their inadequacies, fears, strength of conviction (or not), sensory stimulations, all within the larger realm of trying to do change-the-world type activities (capturing every sight and sound of Bombay, fighting against animal testing or doing a re-donation of a stolen kidney)

Think the film deserves multiple views – sure more layers of interpretation will be unearthed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Arghya and Kunal, </p>
<p>My take on this is somewhere precariously perched between both your takes. </p>
<p>Arghya, agree with you, in that, having heard so much about the &#8220;thought&#8221; behind the movie, the &#8220;addressing&#8221; and &#8220;treatment&#8221; of the titular philosophical issue was itself, somewhat underwhelming. When I walked out of the theatre, the eager anticipation with which I walked in, was replaced with a quizzical expression, more like an itch whose existence I was only vaguely aware of, let alone being able to identify its position and then reach out and scratch it. </p>
<p>You will note the excessive use of “somewhere, somewhat” in the para, but in my opinion, there&#8217;s no better way to describe the movie. It IS vague, it is even absurd at times (how can the stockbroker ask the poor guy to return the kidney), not to mention a little slow and tedious (like for instance, the bedpan scene – but I know what to do, if an elderly relative needs that assistance).  I even think the connection in the end was tenuous (also, is my memory playing tricks, or was the monk dressed in a shirt and trousers in the end?). I would even say some of the dialogues were a little forced, especially the ones mouthed by one of our kind (so smart-alecky, with the ‘masturbation’ thrown in, thinking it’s a masterpiece of a rejoinder). </p>
<p>BUT, the movie sure as hell, makes one feel the questions that exist (and walks with us side by side) as we go about our lives, thinking we’ve figured out our calling.  At least, it identifies the complexities (pardon the cliché) and nudges us to feel the life both within us and outside us. The life of others inside us (not only the organs literally but also the polarized thoughts and priorities (the granny and the stock broker, the boyfriend and the photographer and the monk and the lawyer) and us in them (the grandmother ultimately ‘getting’ that maybe the grandson has inherited a bit of her activism and the monk ‘getting’ that his purpose is not simply fasting unto death as innumerable people have tried to drill into him).  So, in that sense who are we? What makes an individual, the same individual? Is it just the organs? Is it the ability of perception? Is it handicap? We are us, yes, but we are also what others think of us (the stockbroker thought that the labourer did not care about material benefits and only wanted his kidney back– but that’s not what it turned out to be). And the most beautiful point the movie makes (in my opinion, of course) is that the single purpose of life is to appreciate it in its very many forms (including how they co-exist with each other) and then go on living, renewed and assured that we are not alone – we never were and never can be.  </p>
<p>Isn’t the movie reflective of how we incorporate philosophy in daily discussions?<br />
Essentially, extrapolating our daily lives to suit an enquiry, rather than thinking about a realm of thought and then examining whether we conform or deviate? In that sense, how can there be a literal application of the ship of Theseus paradox to the movie? The movie is almost like what train of thought, a ship of Theseus paradox can trigger off. But yes, I wish the strangeness of feeling when one realizes that he is living his life by using another’s organ was explored further.  Also, how would the labourer feel if his stolen kidney was re-transplanted into him?</p>
<p>Kunal, fantastic observations.  The only point I disagree with you is that the movie was not a set of characterizations. I think it was nothing but that. And the whole thingamijig of its being reflective of ancient Greek philosophy is a bit overdone.  So yes, if you go looking for the paradox in movie, daresay you may be disappointed. But the movie does the details very well. About people, their particular frustrations, their inadequacies, fears, strength of conviction (or not), sensory stimulations, all within the larger realm of trying to do change-the-world type activities (capturing every sight and sound of Bombay, fighting against animal testing or doing a re-donation of a stolen kidney)</p>
<p>Think the film deserves multiple views – sure more layers of interpretation will be unearthed.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bharath</title>
		<link>http://www.criticaltwenties.in/mediapopularculture/ship-of-theseus-2013#comment-15453</link>
		<dc:creator>Bharath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.criticaltwenties.in/?p=5452#comment-15453</guid>
		<description>@Kunal Chandra  I agree with you that the monk changed his principles because he realizes, over a period of time, suffering and contemplation, that his questions are not answered yet, and that perhaps the conviction that he held on his beliefs about the soul and identity, need revisiting.But why is the repercussion of the volte face left open ended?  And pardon me if this question seems futile...What&#039;s the point in connecting the three stories at the end??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kunal Chandra  I agree with you that the monk changed his principles because he realizes, over a period of time, suffering and contemplation, that his questions are not answered yet, and that perhaps the conviction that he held on his beliefs about the soul and identity, need revisiting.But why is the repercussion of the volte face left open ended?  And pardon me if this question seems futile&#8230;What&#8217;s the point in connecting the three stories at the end??</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
