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By: k p fabian

k p fabian — Sun, 26 May 2013 15:15:58 +0000

Ethics can be taught formally only upto a point.

Young people observe carefully what their elders do, how they succeed, how some of them ,if not most of them, cheat and get away.

How do we change the unethical behaviour of the successful elite? Obviously we cannot expect much help from them unless they have scores to settle.

As Gandhi said if you want to change society, you have to start with yourself. Are we prepared? I doubt.

By: suresh

suresh — Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:01:17 +0000

ps. a) i really like your writing. b) your reply above does address much of what i said above and c) the nature article about bhrigu that you link to is really well-written; but unsurprisingly, the commenters drag in all the irritating, unjustified, cultural/social/national comparisons.

By: suresh

suresh — Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:44:28 +0000

This particular point (preaching vs. constructive criticism) comes up often. To me, the prickly feelings seem to result from these arguments starting with “In the West, things are so great and let us learn from them”. The “us” is usually read as “you who live in India” because the writer is an NRI. And “the West is great” part is usually very easy to argue against. In this particular case, is there real evidence that there is less “real scientific fraud” going on in the West compared to India ? When an Indian or Chinese name pops up, the whole system is damned, but when an Austrian or American name pops up, it is the individual (another common “accusation” in such debates). It is clear that plagiarism is widespread: you probably know what the VroniPlag wiki has been digging up in Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VroniPlag_Wiki). To me, the point that formal ethics guidance is useful can be made without holding up the West as some sort of ideal: such a recommendation could be made on principles and common sense alone. If the efficacy of such methods is to be judged, then it should be accompanied by at least some data on the relative levels of fraud in different societies and how well they can be attributed to the ethics training these scientists have received during their training (in other words, at least an attempt at a reasoned sociological thesis).